| Episode number | MB20 (Part 20 of 42) |
|---|---|
| Original air date | May 14, 1993 |
| Broadcast | Hour of the Time, WWCR shortwave |
| Chapter title | William Morgan Interview, Part I |
| Format | Live interview |
| Guest | “William Morgan” (pseudonym), CAJI member and 32nd-degree Scottish Rite Freemason |
| Listen | Stream the series on archive.org |
Episode Summary
Episode 20 of the Mystery Babylon series aired on May 14, 1993, and marks a significant departure from the reading-based format of most earlier episodes. Rather than working through a book, Cooper conducts a live interview with a man he introduces as William Morgan, a pseudonym deliberately chosen to invoke the historical figure who disappeared in 1826 after publishing an expose of Masonic ritual. The guest is identified as a member of the Citizens Agency for Joint Intelligence who rose from Entered Apprentice to 32nd-degree Scottish Rite Freemason within two years, joining in June 1991.
The episode opens with Cooper’s standard commercial break for Swiss America Trading, followed by a remarks segment that frames the interview’s stakes: the CAJI, Cooper tells listeners, has infiltrated Masonic lodges multiple times across the country and around the world. The information gathered does not come from speculation, he says, but from lodge archives and from brothers willing to speak. After introducing Morgan, Cooper begins the interrogation in earnest.
Morgan describes how he came to Freemasonry: he worked alongside a Mason who never pressured him to join, and approached the lodge himself. His initial impression was that it was a philanthropic organization similar to a charitable union. He began studying simultaneously from two sources, the lodge’s own instruction and Cooper’s CAJI materials, and says the contradiction between the two eventually resolved against the lodge. The moment of decision, he tells Cooper, was when he knelt before an altar and took the first of more than two dozen blood oaths before reaching Master Mason level in the blue lodge.
Much of the first half focuses on the structure of Masonic advancement. Morgan explains that most Masons remain in the blue lodge at the first three degrees and never learn what lies above, while the blue lodge serves as a kind of primary school. He rose through the Scottish Rite, Southern Jurisdiction, to the 32nd degree, whose official title is Sublime Prince of the Royal Secret. The interview emphasizes a key claim Cooper has made in earlier episodes: rank-and-file Masons are deliberately kept ignorant of the organization’s true theology.
The theological question occupies the second half of the episode. Morgan argues that the god of Freemasonry is not the God of any conventional religion but Lucifer, and offers Albert Pike’s Morals and Dogma as his primary evidence. He states that the name Lucifer derives from the Latin for Light Bearer and that Masonic ritual’s constant emphasis on light, illumination, and the bearer of that light points unmistakably at its true deity. Cooper presses this point, and Morgan confirms that he knelt before an altar and swore his oaths to a god he now identifies as Lucifer rather than the Christian God.
The episode also touches on racial exclusion within Freemasonry. Morgan describes Prince Hall Masonry, the historically Black Masonic tradition, as a segregated parallel structure: he as a white Mason could visit any Prince Hall lodge, but a Prince Hall member could not enter his lodge and would not be received as a brother. Cooper and Morgan connect this to the New World Order thesis, arguing that the world the Masons plan to build has an Aryan foundation and that Black participation in Masonry serves no benefit to Black Americans.
The episode closes with a reading from Ed Decker and Dave Hunt’s The Godmakers, which Morgan says stopped him while he was reading the previous night. The quoted passage argues that there are only two religions in the world, Christianity and paganism, and that Freemasonry, like Mormonism, belongs to the pagan stream. Cooper endorses the book and gives the publisher’s address. The interview continues in episode 21.
Key Claims Made in This Episode
- Cooper claims that a CAJI member infiltrated the Masonic lodge and rose to the 32nd degree of the Scottish Rite in under two years, beginning in June 1991, and that the CAJI has placed members in lodges across the country and around the world.
- Cooper claims the god of Freemasonry is Lucifer, and cites Albert Pike’s Morals and Dogma as the source that explicitly states both that Masonry is a religion and that Lucifer is involved.
- Cooper claims the Scottish Rite of the Southern Jurisdiction, which the interviewee joined, is the same branch of Freemasonry to which Albert Pike belonged and through which Pike established the Ku Klux Klan, the B’nai B’rith, and the Anti-Defamation League.
- Cooper claims that fewer than 3% of money taken in by the Shriners, who publicly base their reputation on charitable giving, goes to any actual charity.
- Cooper claims Masonic lodge secretaries and treasurers hold their positions for years without election or accountability, and that these unelected officers hold the true power in every lodge.
- Cooper claims the New World Order being built by secret societies is Aryan in foundation and will relegate non-white peoples back into subjugation, and that Prince Hall Masonry is a segregated system that serves no genuine benefit to Black Americans.
- Cooper claims that Freemasonry is not a fraternal or charitable organization but a religion, and that any Mason who is also a Christian is in irreconcilable conflict with his own faith.
- Cooper claims, through the interviewee’s testimony, that the name of Jesus Christ had never once been spoken aloud in the lodge, and that a police-officer lodge member was ostracized for invoking Christ’s name when asked in whom he placed his trust.
- Cooper claims that Mormonism is another branch of the Mystery Religion of Babylon, pointing to its three initiatory degrees, blood oaths, pyramid hierarchy, and the goal of attaining godhood as evidence.
Primary Sources Cited in This Episode
| Source | Status | Where to find it |
|---|---|---|
| Albert Pike, Morals and Dogma of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry (1871) | Public domain | Search archive.org scans |
| Ed Decker and Dave Hunt, The Godmakers (Harvest House Publishers, Eugene, Oregon) | Not public domain; passage quoted on air | Library copies; see our sources hub |
| Manly P. Hall, The Secret Teachings of All Ages (1928) | Public domain | Search archive.org scans |
Notable Quotes
“Masons believe in light. It is a priority part of their entire ritual. Light to a Mason symbolizes knowledge and also intellect. And if you’ve paid attention to the Mystery School broadcasts, you know who the patron god of intellect is: it is Lucifer.”
William Morgan (pseudonym), MB20, May 14, 1993
“The capstone of the New World Order of the building that they are creating is actually Lucifer himself. You ought to look at the great seal of the United States to get a feel for this.”
William Morgan (pseudonym), MB20, May 14, 1993
Historians’ View
Mainstream scholarship on Freemasonry does not support the claim that Lucifer is the organization’s deity. Academic historians and religious studies scholars generally classify Freemasonry as a fraternal organization drawing on Enlightenment-era deism and moral philosophy rather than a religion. Albert Pike’s Morals and Dogma does use the name Lucifer in a passage drawn from the Hermetic tradition, where it denotes the morning star and carries no Satanic connotation in context; scholars of the text note it is used as a symbol of reason and light, not as a deity to be worshiped. The claim that Pike founded the Ku Klux Klan is disputed by historians, who note the Klan’s founding is documented to Nathan Bedford Forrest and others with no direct organizational link to Masonic charters. The Shriners’ charity-spending figures cited in the episode were contested by the organization and subsequent audits produced different percentages. We document Cooper’s claims as broadcast; we do not endorse them.
Frequently Asked Questions
What is Mystery Babylon episode 20 about?
Episode 20 is the first of a three-part live interview with a CAJI operative using the pseudonym William Morgan. The guest identifies himself as a 32nd-degree Scottish Rite Freemason who joined as an undercover agent. The episode covers lodge initiation, the blood oaths, Masonic theology as he understands it, racial exclusion in the craft, and the relationship between Freemasonry and the New World Order thesis. The interview is part of the broader Freemasonry topic hub.
Who is “William Morgan” in this episode?
The name is a deliberate pseudonym. Cooper explains at the start of episode 21 that it was chosen to honor the historical William Morgan, who disappeared in 1826 after publishing an account of Masonic ritual secrets. The real name of Cooper’s CAJI guest is never given. The historical Morgan is a separate figure whose story is discussed across the three-part interview series.
What degree was the interviewee?
The guest identifies himself as a 32nd-degree Freemason of the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry, Southern Jurisdiction, United States of America. The official title of the 32nd degree is Sublime Prince of the Royal Secret. He states he joined the lodge in June 1991 and reached this level within approximately two years.
Where can I listen to episode 20?
The complete series is preserved at archive.org. We never host or distribute the audio; see our content policy.
Continue the Series
- Previous: MB19: Fundamental Laws Rose Cross
- Next: MB21: William Morgan Interview Pt 2
- Series continues: MB22: William Morgan Interview Pt 3
- Topic hub: Freemasonry in the Mystery Babylon Series
- Every dated claim from this episode appears on the series timeline
- Full index: Mystery Babylon Complete Episode Guide
- Source referenced: Sources and Bibliography
