| Episode number | MB21 (Part 21 of 42) |
|---|---|
| Original air date | May 17, 1993 |
| Broadcast | Hour of the Time, WWCR and WRNO shortwave |
| Chapter title | William Morgan Interview, Part II |
| Format | Live interview (continuation) |
| Guest | “William Morgan” (pseudonym), CAJI member and 32nd-degree Scottish Rite Freemason |
| Listen | Stream the series on archive.org |
Episode Summary
Episode 21 aired on May 17, 1993, three days after part one, and continues the interview with the guest using the pseudonym William Morgan. Cooper opens with an extended commercial segment and then explains the significance of the name: the real William Morgan was a man who disappeared in 1826 after publishing an account of Masonic ritual secrets, and the fraternity, Cooper says, was responsible for the murder, a charge they have denied but one supported by evidence gathered through many hundreds of hours of research. Cooper promises a future program devoted entirely to that historical murder.
The episode begins in earnest with Cooper reminding listeners that his guest risks his life by speaking. The Masonic oaths carry death penalties, he explains, and even though those oaths were taken under fraudulent conditions and are therefore void, the Brotherhood could still act on them. Morgan confirms this: the punishments written into the oaths have been carried out against Masons before and may be again.
The degree structure receives extended treatment. Morgan describes the fork in the road after the Master Mason third degree: a brother may go to the Scottish Rite, which he calls by far the most popular and powerful branch, or to the York Rite, whose highest degree is the Knight Templar. He states flatly that anyone who believes the Knights Templar have no connection to Freemasonry has not done their homework. Cooper supplies historical context: the Templars began on the Temple Mount with seven degrees, were driven underground and adopted new names in different countries, and eventually accumulated thirty-three degrees.
One of the most memorable exchanges concerns the charter granted to Masonic lodges by national governments. Morgan states that every government in the world with lodges in its territory has granted a sovereign charter to the Grand Lodge under its jurisdiction. The practical implication, he says, is that a police officer entering a lodge while it is in session loses all arrest power the moment he crosses the threshold, and the lodge immediately closes. This leads to a broader discussion of Masonic infiltration of law enforcement and the judiciary. Morgan recounts that he has never received a speeding ticket when officers saw his Masonic dues card, and describes how coded phrases and positions allow Masons to identify themselves to Masonic judges in court.
The interview then moves to a list of famous Freemasons that Morgan reads from a book published by the Craft itself. The names he and Cooper discuss include Buzz Aldrin, Omar Bradley, Winston Churchill, Henry Ford, Benjamin Franklin, John Glenn, Edgar Hoover, Sam Houston, Duke Ellington, Clark Gable, Joseph Guillotine, Samuel Gompers, Manly P. Hall, and others. Cooper and Morgan discuss the Yalta Conference, noting that Churchill, Harry Truman, and Joseph Stalin were all 33rd-degree Freemasons meeting to divide the world.
Cooper makes his Hegelian dialectic argument in the second half of the episode, presenting the thesis-antithesis-synthesis model as the fundamental method of the secret societies. Controlled conflict, he argues, is the tool: by controlling both sides of any dispute, the brotherhood ensures that the resolution always moves toward their desired end. He applies this to the Republican-Democrat divide, to the Cold War, and to the Patriot movement, arguing that most patriot leaders are themselves agents of the societies they claim to oppose. The promised endpoint is a thousand years of peace under the United Nations, offered after everyone has surrendered their individual rights.
Morgan mentions at the close that a convention of Southern Baptists in Houston in June 1993 was formally moving against Freemasonry and urges listeners to investigate. The interview’s final part follows in episode 22.
Key Claims Made in This Episode
- Cooper claims the historical William Morgan was murdered by Freemasons in the 1820s after publishing Masonic secrets, and that this has been established by evidence gathered over many hundreds of hours of research.
- Cooper claims every national government in the world that has Masonic lodges within its borders has granted those lodges a sovereign charter, effectively placing them above civil law and stripping police officers of arrest power when they enter a lodge in session.
- Cooper claims the Knights of Malta carry diplomatic passports and cannot be arrested, detained, or charged with any crime by any law enforcement officer in the United States, and can bring goods across borders without customs inspection.
- Cooper claims Winston Churchill, Harry Truman, and Joseph Stalin were all 33rd-degree Freemasons and that this explains the decisions made at the Yalta Conference of 1945.
- Cooper claims the interviewee has never received a traffic citation or been harassed by police once officers saw his Masonic dues card, illustrating that Masons are effectively exempt from laws that apply to ordinary citizens.
- Cooper claims the Hegelian dialectic of controlled conflict is the secret societies’ primary operating method: by owning both sides of any conflict, they ensure that the outcome advances their agenda, and this applies to political parties, the Cold War, and the patriot movement.
- Cooper claims that when the Berlin Wall fell, Freemasons immediately stepped in to fill the vacuum left by Communism, and lodges were already being consecrated in St. Petersburg, Moscow, and other cities by the time of the broadcast.
- Cooper claims Stalin liquidated Masonic lodges in the Soviet Union not out of opposition to Freemasonry but because, as a 33rd-degree Mason himself, he recognized their power and could not risk them being used against him as he had used them to rise.
Primary Sources Cited in This Episode
| Source | Status | Where to find it |
|---|---|---|
| Albert Pike, Morals and Dogma (1871) | Public domain | Search archive.org scans |
| Freemasonry: A Celebration of the Craft (Masonic reference, publisher and date not given on air) | Not public domain; quoted on air | See our sources hub |
| William Cooper, Behold a Pale Horse (1991) | Not public domain; referenced on air | Library copies; see our sources hub |
Notable Quotes
“They should have just held that Yalta meeting in a lodge and been open about it.”
William Morgan (pseudonym), MB21, May 17, 1993
“The strength of our Order lies in its concealment. In its many different names, appearing under many different names and many different occupations, sometimes even appearing to oppose ourselves.”
Cooper quoting Adam Weishaupt, MB21, May 17, 1993
Historians’ View
The historical William Morgan (c. 1774-1826?) is a documented figure who published Illustrations of Masonry in 1826 and disappeared shortly before or after its release. The disappearance sparked a genuine political crisis in the United States, giving rise to the Anti-Masonic Party, one of the country’s first significant third parties. Historians generally conclude that Morgan was almost certainly killed, and several Masons were convicted of related offenses, though convictions were light. His book is in the public domain and available on archive.org. The claim that Churchill, Truman, and Stalin were all 33rd-degree Masons has been repeated across conspiracy literature but lacks verified primary-source documentation for all three, and particularly for Stalin, whose recorded hostility to the lodges presents a biographical contradiction. The diplomatic immunity described for the Knights of Malta does not correspond to any treaty or legal provision that historians of international law recognize. We record all claims as broadcast; we do not endorse them.
Frequently Asked Questions
What is Mystery Babylon episode 21 about?
Episode 21 continues the live interview with a CAJI operative posing as a 32nd-degree Mason. This installment focuses on the Masonic degree structure and its fork between Scottish Rite and York Rite, the sovereign charters allegedly granted to lodges by governments, Masonic infiltration of law enforcement and courts, a list of famous Masons drawn from a Masonic publication, and Cooper’s argument that the Hegelian dialectic of controlled conflict is the secret societies’ core operating method. Related content is on the Freemasonry hub.
What happened to the real William Morgan?
The historical William Morgan was a resident of Batavia, New York, who announced his intention to publish a book exposing Masonic ritual. He disappeared in September 1826, shortly after the book was printed. Several men were tried and convicted in connection with his abduction. His fate was never definitively established, but the case fueled a national anti-Masonic movement in the late 1820s and 1830s. Morgan’s book, Illustrations of Masonry (1826), is in the public domain. See also episode 22 for further discussion.
Were Churchill, Truman, and Stalin really Freemasons?
Cooper and his guest assert this in the episode. Churchill and Truman have documented Masonic affiliations. Stalin’s alleged Masonic membership is disputed and lacks clear primary-source confirmation; historians note that Stalin suppressed lodges in the Soviet Union, which is inconsistent with active membership. We record the claim as broadcast and note the historical dispute in the Freemasonry hub.
Where can I listen to episode 21?
The complete series is preserved at archive.org. We never host or distribute the audio; see our content policy.
Continue the Series
- Previous: MB20: William Morgan Interview Pt 1
- Next: MB22: William Morgan Interview Pt 3
- Topic hub: Freemasonry in the Mystery Babylon Series
- Related hub: Knights Templar and the Assassins
- Every dated claim from this episode appears on the series timeline
- Full index: Mystery Babylon Complete Episode Guide
- Source referenced: Sources and Bibliography
